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Kara Swisher and Steve Kiss are back in the ’90s. She was a young woman from Washington Mail A journalist covering something new called “the Internet”… and he was one of the founders of the company that became AOL. In the last episode of Ali with Kara SwisherThey take a tour through time to look at how far the world has come and where tech companies have faltered or faltered.
They also discuss Case’s new book, Rise of the rest, which offers an optimistic future for expanding entrepreneurship and innovation beyond a few places like Silicon Valley. They are considering whether the distribution of economic growth can occur in light of some of the country’s political divisions – and whether it can even help bridge those divisions.
Ali with Kara Swisher
Kara Swisher: I told times – New York times – Hopefully we can avoid quoting”Entrepreneurial culture war. “What is this and how do we avoid that war? Because since then DobbsThere have to be people who are worried about working for companies or giving money to those states or having employees there.
Steve Case: Yes, I think it is something to watch. I think we’ve been in the middle of this kind of “recount” for the past couple of years. People talked about the “big resignation” as people quit their jobs because of the pandemic. I think we’re now starting this kind of great recount where people are deciding where they want to live and how they want to work and kind of — it’s not just hybrid work and remote work — it’s kind of a rethink on a larger scale.
So there are a lot of people trying to think, Well, maybe I shouldn’t be in Silicon Valley. Maybe I shouldn’t be in NYC. Maybe I can be somewhere else And they started thinking about where they should be. Some will make a decision based on family or lifestyle reasons. They love to walk. They love to ski. Or for cost-of-living reasons – you know – it’s easier and cheaper to buy a house – or even for tax reasons.
But I think a number of people – probably a lot of people – will consider some of these social issues, including exactly what I said: the policies that different countries have around abortion and other kinds of issues. So I hope the countries making these decisions realize that there may be some unintended consequences, and it could affect their ability to win the battle for talent.
KS: But does it hinder him? Because every state I talked about is on the verge of imposing a near-total ban on abortion.
SC: No, not all of the countries we’ve been talking about, but I think there will be an impact in terms of some people’s decision not to go there that would have moved there.
KS: Do you go to those countries and say, “That wouldn’t be good for your country especially” or not? Or let them do what they want to do?
SC: No, we have talks with policy makers in most states.
kansas: what do you say?
SC: I say, “Ultimately, this is a state issue, and you have to decide what is appropriate for your state. But I hope you take into account some of these broader factors.” And in fact we will be in Next month’s summit in ArkansasThis will be one of the topics. So, yes, we talk about this and the nature of how the decision is made with the Supreme Court; As you know, different countries make different decisions. But as we think about trying to level the playing field, we’re thinking about trying to help each of these states win this battle for talent and be in a better position to create jobs and drive economic growth. This is something they need to think about.
KS: Let me give you an example: myself. I Moving one of my conferences out of Florida. I couldn’t – all sorts of things. There’s a lot of things, not just abortion, but, you know, there’s an intolerance about a lot of things. I think entrepreneurs tend to be more tolerant and tend to be more welcoming of people, even though they are not as diverse as they should be. How do you talk to entrepreneurs and should you be stronger with these politicians or not? Or let them – some kind of “every country decides”?
SC: Well, you know, for the past two decades, I’ve tried to be a quiet influence on politics – non-partisan, working with different people, whether it’s about early Internet politics or Jobs Law Ten years ago, or more recently, some of that focus was on regional hubs. Also a major focus is on immigration reform. And so I try to do things in a calmer way but try to move things forward in a positive way. But I understand the decision you made. Other people make this kind of similar decision. And I respect that.
KS: But do you need to be more frank? Are you speaking out against a national abortion ban, for example? Or something like that, which makes it encourage entrepreneurship – by all the studies, diversity of thought is definitely one of those things. And I don’t mean to say that people shouldn’t have these ideas, but if you’re going to create “Rise of the Rest,” the rest must begin to understand that some of the most interesting companies have come out of California, which they now insult all the time. But there’s a reason why they’re out of California, I think. It’s about being open minded and maybe even overbearing at the same time.
SC: Well, sure, that’s part of it. It may have something to do with the fact that California It has 50 percent of the investment capitalso there are more startups backing capital in those places.
KS: Well, they are there for a reason. They are there because of the situation.
SC: Well, there again, this has to be a bit of a “chicken and egg” and circular, but part of the reason they’re there is that the money is there. I also think it’s important to note that, within the different states, there is a dynamic between some cities and some rural areas. Thus, for example, Texas tends to be very conservative in a lot of politics. Austin tends to be somewhat progressive.
KS: This is correct.
SC: There is also a dynamic within these cases that I think is important to monitor.
KS: How do you get to partisanship? What is the way to achieve this, in your opinion?
SC: My way of doing that, and it’s been my way for several decades, is to have quiet diplomacy, trying to lead people to what I believe is the right answer for their communities and their country. And sometimes I’ve found that you can be much more effective if you’re not the type of yelling on cable TV and have quiet conversations, bringing people together.
One of the things I love about what we do The rise of the rest – Even our bus tours – do we bring Republicans and Democrats together. They’re on the bus talking about how to create a stronger startup ecosystem. Republicans and Democrats are not very much together. Unfortunately, they are somewhat in their various warring camps and rarely talk to each other.
KS: Speaking of which, the really interesting thing that people don’t know – and you know this is coming – JD Vance It was part of this at first. It’s now With Trump’s support Republican candidate for the US Senate in Ohio. It’s not like when you met him, when you introduced me to him, I can tell you that. Have you talked to him recently?
SC: I have not. I haven’t spoken to him since he announced his campaign, you know, a year and a half ago. But I share your point of view. I was surprised by some of the positions he took. Now, by his own admission, he took some positions four or five years ago that were completely anti-Trump and then decided to pivot and be pro-Trump, obviously, to get Trump’s endorsement.
And so it’s amazing to see some of these things. But I think there is an aspect of politics going on. But it is disappointing. But no, I didn’t talk to him. I did not donate to his campaign. And, you know, because of your time with us, it goes back to earlier points of our desire to bring Democrats and Republicans together.
Ron Klein, President Biden’s chief of staff, as you know, has worked at Revolution for over a decade
KS: I would say that.
SC: He and JD and I had conversations from time to time, mostly on Rise of the rest Entrepreneurs are supported but sometimes on other issues. I suspect Ron would be equally surprised by some of the positions JD has taken.
KS: This is Ron Klein, Biden’s chief of staff, and President Biden’s chief of staff – and he was actually my old classmate at Georgetown University.
SC: and I know that.
KS: What connections did you have together when you created this in the revolution? Because it’s really an interesting split between Vance – who was different, let me just explain to people; It wasn’t that person – and Ron, who was pretty much the same. I mean, I don’t think it has changed. What links would you say? They both worked at Revolution, and you were trying to create a revolution, probably.
SC: yes. We believe in revolution and innovation happening with diverse teams. And so we try to bring together a diverse group of people who have diverse viewpoints. Some of that is directly related to different views on potential investments based on their different experiences.
But we also believe in diversity in all its forms. So having Democrats and Republicans all at work in the revolution, we think, is a good thing. And I think, if we’re going to be successful in helping the rest get up and help the next generation of entrepreneurs, we must do it in a nonpartisan way.
KS: Do you feel this is possible?
SC: I know it is possible.
SC: Well, what is the alternative? We have a very partisan country where people disagree about a lot of things. The only area — and I’ve seen this over the decade — they tend to agree is that they think part of what made America, you know, the leader of the free world is its focus on innovation and entrepreneurship. The best thing to do for each community, but also more broadly for the country, is to drive more innovation, and create more jobs. It may also help bridge some of the existing divisions. There are obviously many factors, but one of them is this opportunity gap, which some people feel left out and left behind, and we need to address that.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
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